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Tue, Apr. 18th, 2006, 04:18 pm

I was recently informed that the Church of MOO is discussed in this book here, among 200 other "New Religions". This is all very well and good, but where are the damn T-shirt sales? Hmm? That's what I want to know.

Granted, I haven't made or advertised any... but isn't the miracle of the internet that you can make money without even a business plan? This lack of income has burst my bubble. So to speak.

Tue, Apr. 18th, 2006 11:32 pm (UTC)

oh that's a weird one. how'd you come across this book anyway?

i wish i could make money off the internet. i don't really have luck when i have tried.

formerly known as Alucard Shadow

Tue, Apr. 18th, 2006 11:36 pm (UTC)

I haven't actually read the book (though, for that reason alone, and because it looks neat, I ordered a used copy online), so I don't know if the claim is true. However, a random editor I don't know used it as a justification for not deleting the wikipedia article, over here on the talk page, as was pointed out to me.

Tue, Apr. 18th, 2006 11:40 pm (UTC)

i was squinting at the books Index and couldn't see anything to do w/ the Church of MOO. nor even Moo or Mooist... ah well... maybe i needed to squint even closer. ;P

i'll poke my nose in over at wikipedia.

Tue, Apr. 18th, 2006 11:53 pm (UTC)

I didn't see anything in the index either, and it looks to be pretty extensive. I wonder if that guy just made the reference up.

Fri, Apr. 21st, 2006 05:08 am (UTC)

Look in the index for
Thee Grate Church ov MOO

Fri, Apr. 21st, 2006 04:33 am (UTC)

Doing as search in the book for "Mooism"...
1 page with references to mooism in this book:
1. on Page 408:
"... irreverent and humorous system of religious ideas. Their site offers hundreds of pages of material ranging from fabricated mythologies of MOOism, through blueprints for ritual practices, to pseudo-academic essays on a variety of spiritual and social themes. The `religion' is broadly ..."

As for the shirts, do you ever even visit churchofmoo.com??
It has two nice big links. One goes to the books at Lulu.com, the other goes to the shirts, and other stuff, at cafepress.com.

A few books have actually managed to sell. Most of them in Europe.

Fri, Apr. 21st, 2006 06:12 am (UTC)

Oho! So it's the prophet-sharing scheme that's broken down! Oh well - the version that allocated anything to me was in a very early edition of the book, and e-text contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

That, and the fact that the stuff isn't selling. It's time for a media blitz! Ads on every TV network! Self-replicating spam! Telepathic subliminal radio frankenstein brain-removing wavebots! Invisible psychotronic satellite footprint broadcast control zone operate!

I go to churchofmoo.com from time to time - less since I lost my password on the message board - but I hadn't noticed all the shirts there before. I kind of like the Church of MOO teddy bear. I think I'll get the anarchy t-shirt, however.

Mon, Apr. 24th, 2006 05:47 pm (UTC)

If you want to share in the profits, then you must also wish to share in the costs. Based on you getting 1/3 of all income, you currently owe me roughly $150 to $200.

The current total income is about $17.50 US. There is no payout until it reaches at least $20.

Do you wish to share in the profits?
I could use a couple hundred dollars for the ISBN and worldwide distribution of The Gnu Tastymint.

Mon, Apr. 24th, 2006 10:36 pm (UTC)

That was more by way of being a joke. I realize it's sometimes hard to tell whether or not I'm joking - witness the entry in that book on New Religions, which says it's hard to tell whether Thee Church Ov MOO is a hoax or not. Mind you, I feel that way about most of the OLD religions sometimes, so maybe that's a bad example.
At any rate, I don't think that's what "profit" means, and arguably the original contract implied that my equity buy-in was in the form of creating a product to distribute in the first place... But all kidding aside, my lawyer informs me that any profits from this venture would be contaminated with transtemporal Karma pollution in the form of induced radiation from the spam-rays originating in the Crab Nebula, which are utilized in the online payment systems on CafePress and LuLu; if I accepted any such monies, I might could will have been going to have formerly been preincarnated as a plague rat. Thus, I will voluntarily forego any possible renumeration in favour of a ritual karma-purification system (I drive a hybrid karma, which is less polluting, but I'm thinking of switching entirely to one that runs on beatific pudding-rapture).

On the other hand, your spam-based exoskelleton shoud protect you from the profit-bearing radiation, and vice versa, so I'll focus on directing more business in your general direction.

Fri, Apr. 21st, 2006 06:35 am (UTC)

I notice that, as per usual, there is one significant error in the entry for MOOism in that book - it implies that "MOO" is a reference to multi-user object oriented domains (MOOs). As far as I know, they were invented well after MOOism got its name.

Oh well - it's a start. If the article were longer, it would surely have managed to include more disinformation.